In recent years there have been repeated discussions about the yardstick numbers of the 2.4mR. The discussion is documented below. You can continue it under comments - because it is a permanent topic!
Yardstick numbers Chiemsee: www.chiemsee-yardstick.de/zahlen.html
Yard embroidery numbers Edersee: db.wettsegeln-edersee.de/yardstick.php
"Unfortunately, we have not yet received any rating recommendations for the 2.4mR, probably because this ship is not the typical yardstick aspirant on the coast.
The DSV list is naturally somewhat coastal-heavy, because the inland lakes expressly have their own district lists, and these differ significantly from the values in the DSV list.
This is also a good thing because the fleet composition and local wind conditions can be taken into account so much better.
For the 2.4mR we would suggest that you take the known value and empirically improve it yourself on site. "
"Lasse Klötzing starts in his club (PYC) at the Wednesday regattas with a yardstick of 120, It’s okay. ”
“We had the number of yard sticks for Lake Chiemsee last year 122 established. With two regattas sailed, it turned out that the number is not that bad. In a group of keel yachts with yardstick numbers between 2 and 106, I made 122rd place in 13 boats. I had the 3th place in the overall ranking of all boat classes under 73 boats. "
"Loud www.chiemsee-yardstick.de we sail with 122 Points, however, it should be noted that due to the weak winds, the slower boats are rated up to 2 points higher than at Lake Constance or at the DSV. "
"When 121 I had no chance of flat water against Finns, but against lasers and Europes and all thick ships. 124 seems to me very comfortable after previous experiences… "
“The 2.4mR cuts a very good figure in light winds, so there is an impression that it could drive everyone (except the Finns) away and run a lot more height. On light wind areas there was a general impression that the yardstick number of 122 was too high. T. looked funny. With more wind, from 120-3 Bft, however, things change.
After long discussions in NRW, we went on a trial basis 117 agreed at BSNW regattas. At our internal regattas 120. "
“In the BSNW we have been experimenting with the YSZ for 2.4mR for several years. We initially followed existing ones from Chiemsee and Edersee (122). When Jürgen Schwittai won with it and Stefan Kaste also sailed far up front, resentment slowly came into the scene; migratory birds, yngling and above all Efsixen sailed with them. Set the number to 2 two years ago. Furthermore, 120 were ahead. At the last BSNW JHV we only had the number for 2.4 118 set as a test. Boat classes. Individual mistakes made by other sailing crews also contributed to the good performance of the 2.4. As Dept. Head of Sailing in the BSNW, I'll be the number 120 want to strive again. Incidentally, there are hardly any regatta results from which a "reasonable" number could be derived. Complete information is usually missing. "
“With light wind it is very clear that you are in the front with the 2.4mR.
What you do not consider is that you are caught in the hull speed and only see the other ships from behind in more wind. The hull speed is 2,43 * root from the waterline.
In my area I am under the Chiemsee yardstick number 122 calculated."
“I participated in several YS regattas this year and I am with 118 or 120 been rated. In my opinion it is a little too little. Of course, we often hear that our boats are too fast with little wind, but Michael Büsing is right: as soon as the wind increases we are at a disadvantage and if there are still some with Spinacker or Gennacker you have no chance. "
“I took part in 3 yardstick regattas here in Saarland. Had the first one 124 reported, but was on by the State Sailing Association 118 set. 3rd at the club championship with Finn and laser in front of me. 4th in front of me at the national championship with corsair, Finn and laser. "
“Yardstick is always unfair. Sometimes more sometimes less. It always depends on the area and the wind strength and ultimately also on the courses. As soon as boats glide and others don't, the scissors gap more clearly than when everyone is driving in displacement mode. Theoretically, the yardstick would have to be designed depending on the territory and wind, and that for every boat class. You can hardly do that. The purpose of yardstick is that you can do club races with anything that swims and everyone can participate. So rule number 1 is: have fun and don't take everything so seriously. I think a yardstick is on open areas at 124 - 125 and on small ones lake districts at 122 - 123 should lie. "
"I can only agree with what Boris said. Our Edersee is more known for unstable winds. Since our steamer has a little advantage, because nan can easily convert like a dinghy. At the same time, the ratio of boat length / sail area to hull weight is rather stiff. The official number for the betting sailing community is 118. It is also quite low because all three participants were in the top ten at the first regatta, which of course is angry. We have a very mixed boat size field. In light winds you sometimes have to let the "big ones" drive away before the wind even reaches you below. Then you can catch up.
So it really depends on the specifics of the area.
3 wind situations:
- You turn your lap with the wind in between and you should actually shoot down (1,5-2) Here it all depends on the number of sails, exact sail area to wetted area. Here the dinghy turns, pulls allowed 1x and won 1 meter. We displacers have stress to get the goat in motion first, then we go. When it comes to "getting on the move", we have advantages if we are not covered.
- It winds nicely with 3: riding does not bring sooo much, the speed is still so low that the difference between displacer and dinghy does not yet matter: our small turning angle is an advantage here. Less speed, but shorter distances. At the same time, we are agile. We can keep up
- It blows tight to nasty (4/5): The water resistance increases with the speed until we are caught between the bow and stern wave at hull speed.
- The dinghy: the bulkhead comes to the back, bow can over the bow wave, hooray we slide, now it goes.
- The yacht: length runs, longer waterline = higher hull speed. We will hardly be able to keep up here.
So far everyone knows, only: Situation 1 is more theoretical in Flensburg, while Sitiation 3 is one of the highlights in Prien. Actually, these 3 wind situations also represent 3 yardstick numbers.
It is actually fairer to have a yardstick margin to take into account the specifics. However, this again means that you have to agree with the race director which range of the range is applicable here.
Conclusion: Exchange ideas, report regattas to us and the DSV and in time it will become more concrete or we can make a KV proposal. "
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