In recent years there have been repeated discussions about the yardstick numbers of 2.4mR. The discussion is documented below. You can continue it under comments - because it is a permanent topic!
Yardstick numbers Chiemsee: www.chiemsee-yardstick.de/zahlen.html
Yard embroidery numbers Edersee: db.wettsegeln-edersee.de/yardstick.php
"Unfortunately, we have not yet received any rating recommendations for the 2.4mR, probably because this ship is not the typical yardstick aspirant on the coast.
The DSV list is naturally somewhat coastal-heavy, because the inland lakes expressly have their own district lists, and these differ significantly from the values in the DSV list.
This is also a good thing because the fleet composition and local wind conditions can be taken into account so much better.
For the 2.4mR we would suggest that you take the known value and improve it yourself empirically on site. "
"Lasse Klötzing starts in his club (PYC) at the Wednesday regattas with a yardstick of 120. That works to some extent. "
“We had the number of yard sticks for Lake Chiemsee last year 122 set. With 2 regattas sailed it turned out that the number is not that bad. Among a group of keel yachts with yardstick numbers between 106 and 122, I came 13rd out of 3 boats. In the overall ranking of all boat classes among 73 boats, I was 34th. "
"Loud www.chiemsee-yardstick.de we sail with 122 Points, but it should be noted that because of the weak winds, the slower boats are rated up to 2 points higher than on Lake Constance or the DSV. "
"When 121 I had no chance of flat water against Finns, but against lasers and Europes and all thick ships. 124 seems to me very comfortable after previous experiences ... "
“The 2.4mR cuts a very good figure in light winds, so there is the impression that it could drive away everyone (except for the Finns) and run a lot more altitude. In light wind areas there was generally the impression that the yardstick number of 122 is too high, even with 120 we were e.g. T. looked strange. With more wind, from 3-4 Bft, things change.
After long discussions in NRW, we went on a trial basis 117 agreed at BSNW regattas. At our internal regattas 120. "
“At BSNW we have been experimenting with the YSZ for 2.4mR for several years. At the beginning we stuck to the existing ones from Chiemsee and Edersee (122). When Jürgen Schwittai won with it and Stefan Kaste was also far ahead, displeasure slowly crept into the scene; it sailed u. a. Migratory birds, yngling and especially efsixen with. Set the number to 2 120 years ago. Furthermore, 2.4 were ahead At the last AGM of the BSNW we only have the number for the year 2014 118 set as a test. Boat classes. Individual mistakes made by other sailing crews also contributed to the good performance of the 2.4. As Dept. Head of Sailing in the BSNW, I'll be the number 120 want to strive again. By the way, there are hardly any regatta results from which a "reasonable" number could be derived. Usually complete information is missing. "
“With light wind it is very clear that you are in the front with the 2.4mR.
What you do not consider is that you are caught in the hull speed and only see the other ships from behind in more wind. The hull speed is 2,43 * root from the waterline.
In my area I am under the Chiemsee yardstick number 122 calculated."
“I participated in several YS regattas this year and I am with 118 or 120 been rated. In my opinion it is a little too little. Of course we often hear that our boats are too fast with little wind, but Michael Büsing is right: as soon as the wind picks up we are at a disadvantage and if there are still some with Spinacker or Gennacker you have no chance. "
“I took part in 3 yardstick regattas here in Saarland. Had the first one 124 reported, but was on by the State Sailing Association 118 set. 3. at the club championship with Finn and Laser in front of me. 4th at the national championship with Korsar, Finn and Laser in front of me. "
“Yardstick is always unfair. Sometimes more sometimes less. It always depends on the area and the wind strength and ultimately also on the courses. As soon as boats glide and others don't, the scissors gap more clearly than when everyone is driving in displacement mode. Theoretically, the yardstick would have to be designed depending on the territory and wind, and that for every boat class. You can hardly do that. The purpose of yardstick is that you can do club races with anything that swims and everyone can participate. So rule number 1 is: have fun and don't take everything so seriously. I think a yardstick is on open areas and improve at 124 - 125 and on small ones lake districts and improve at 122 - 123 should be. "
“I can only agree with Boris' remarks. Our Edersee is more known for its unsteady winds. Our steamer has a bit of an advantage here, as nan can easily convert it like a dinghy. At the same time, the ratio of boat length / sail area to hull weight is rather thick-ship. The official number of the betting sailing community is 118. It is also quite low because all three participants were among the top ten at the first regatta, which of course annoys. We have a very mixed boat size field. In light winds you sometimes have to let the "big ones" drive away before the wind even reaches you below. Then you can catch up.
So it really depends on the specifics of the area.
3 wind situations:
- You turn your lap with wind between degrees and you should actually shoot (1,5-2) Here it depends solely on the load rating of the sail, the exact sail area to the wetted area. Here the dinghy turns, pulls once allowed and has gained 1 meter. We displacers have stress to get the buck in motion first, then we go. When it comes to “getting in motion”, we have advantages if we are not in coverage.
- It winds nicely with 3: riding does not bring sooo much, the speed is still so low that the difference between displacer and dinghy does not yet matter: our small turning angle is an advantage here. Less speed, but shorter distances. At the same time, we are agile. We can keep up
- It blows tight to nasty (4/5): The water resistance increases with the speed until we are caught between the bow and stern wave at hull speed.
- The dinghy: the bulkhead comes to the back, bow can over the bow wave, hooray we slide, now it goes.
- The yacht: length runs, longer waterline = higher hull speed. We will hardly be able to keep up here.
So far everyone knows, only: Situation 1 is more theoretical in Flensburg, while Sitiation 3 is one of the highlights in Prien. Actually, these 3 wind situations also represent 3 yardstick numbers.
It is actually fairer to have a yardstick margin to take into account the specifics. However, this again means that you have to agree with the race director which range of the range is applicable here.
Conclusion: Exchange ideas with each other, report regattas to us and the DSV and over time it becomes more specific or we can make a KV proposal. "
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